tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post2274027523455333635..comments2024-03-25T09:47:02.594+01:00Comments on LEADPLAGUE: From Space fleet to Battlefleet gothic ? Part 2Asslessmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09475252828835332056noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-55314565202691469482018-03-15T19:19:04.938+01:002018-03-15T19:19:04.938+01:00My younger self would have loved that, my present ...My younger self would have loved that, my present self just cringed a bit and smiled. ^^Asslessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475252828835332056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-32519024242429224812018-03-15T18:17:20.587+01:002018-03-15T18:17:20.587+01:00I remember being in my local GW store the day they...I remember being in my local GW store the day they were taking Space Fleet ships off the shelves. My friend and I got given a handful of blisters for free, but as there was no one playing the game in our area I ended up using an Emperor Capitol ship as a power-board for one of my plastic Space Marine captains. I thought it was cool even if no one else did!StuntCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07240581865528747965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-12687195432123357582016-08-25T13:25:06.271+02:002016-08-25T13:25:06.271+02:00Sur la page FB de la communauté oldhammer francoph...Sur la page FB de la communauté oldhammer francophone, on doit pouvoir aider. ;)Asslessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475252828835332056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-71892810565003577732016-08-25T13:23:26.442+02:002016-08-25T13:23:26.442+02:00est-il possible d'avoir les pdf des regles ava...est-il possible d'avoir les pdf des regles avancées en Français merci ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-76104646439724249572015-05-31T20:07:30.121+02:002015-05-31T20:07:30.121+02:00Yep, same here, I believe that's it's a ho...Yep, same here, I believe that's it's a holy grail as the original confrontation rules ! One can always dream though !Asslessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475252828835332056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-24868606989412557842015-05-31T19:22:33.208+02:002015-05-31T19:22:33.208+02:00I would really, really like to catch a copy of tha...I would really, really like to catch a copy of that original and never published uber complicated BFG...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07966629362430024669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-2059325629014152842015-05-21T20:26:18.475+02:002015-05-21T20:26:18.475+02:00Forgot who one spoke to about the original system,...Forgot who one spoke to about the original system, off top of head you might want to try Jake Thornton.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10247453774169992114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-51500768553746695152015-05-21T11:19:48.716+02:002015-05-21T11:19:48.716+02:00If only ^^If only ^^Asslessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475252828835332056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-53711322957785224802015-05-21T11:15:44.544+02:002015-05-21T11:15:44.544+02:00Woo, fame at last! It's an interesting story, ...Woo, fame at last! It's an interesting story, to be sure. Just wish I'd kept the playtest rules I got given. ;)Evo Von Himmelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07000084652555272890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-34108903803064980132015-05-21T08:38:51.623+02:002015-05-21T08:38:51.623+02:00Well, not That it should comfort either of us, I&#...Well, not That it should comfort either of us, I'm exactly like That too... Great minds... ;)Asslessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475252828835332056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-21824357653180475512015-05-21T08:33:33.312+02:002015-05-21T08:33:33.312+02:00It seems so yes, the engineer in me would very muc...It seems so yes, the engineer in me would very much like to try it... 😁Asslessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475252828835332056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-53654941912984097642015-05-20T23:11:20.125+02:002015-05-20T23:11:20.125+02:00Ooops! Sorry, Mr. ALMan, you are right. I was so...Ooops! Sorry, Mr. ALMan, you are right. I was so distracted by thoughts and sudden dreams of D18's I did not even see your link. Even when I re-read your post! I'm like that on the tabletop too - I'll get so caught up in a particular scene or group of minis on the table that I often miss my opponent's move! Anyway, thanks for the link, I'm off to get me some D18's!! private w.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13382664057092304789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-14898542614327955992015-05-20T20:36:46.792+02:002015-05-20T20:36:46.792+02:00The original game was apparently very rules heavy,...The original game was apparently very rules heavy, with you needing a degree in Math to play it, both with both it being 3d and vector based. <br /><br />It was decreed that it was to complex.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10247453774169992114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-29638264358737668502015-05-20T09:59:48.758+02:002015-05-20T09:59:48.758+02:00Oh, I don't think we should be blaming Kirby f...Oh, I don't think we should be blaming Kirby for the simplification thing. During Steve and Ians hands-on period, we got successes like Bob Connors Talisman and their Fighting Fantasy, both very much intended to be streamlined D&D (Heroquest follows the same pattern). But I think Space Fleet / Titanicus saw the approach to simplifying and packaging war-gaming - naval/space and tank/mecha respectively. <br /><br />Might have to give Aerotech another spin before flogging it...Zhu Bajieehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13945636483237344750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-26635151987731268322015-05-20T00:01:50.014+02:002015-05-20T00:01:50.014+02:00AHA !you're not paying attention ! I ordered t...AHA !you're not paying attention ! I ordered those cool dice from Impact! just follow the link). <br />From having played Battlefleet so little times I can't really have a vie on it but I know I enjoyed Space flet and I love recreating historical naval manoeuvers with space ships (I remember once when both my brother and I tried to pull the same Nelson trick on the other, trying to get our own whips between the other's...) good times really. I'll hope I'll be able to entertain you with a suitable battle report in the coming year good sir ! Asslessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475252828835332056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-84467543490589360292015-05-19T21:05:58.487+02:002015-05-19T21:05:58.487+02:00Interesting post, Mr. ALMan. I would like to see ...Interesting post, Mr. ALMan. I would like to see a game of Space Fleet played out, or better yet, I would love to try it. I am a big fan of Battlefleet Gothic and have also used those rules for some very enjoyable WWI naval games as well. But the thing I am most intrigued by is the D18 dice! Where did you find those? I just want to play Warhammer and Battlefleet with D18's!!!private w.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13382664057092304789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-17264404705422723402015-05-19T14:41:40.306+02:002015-05-19T14:41:40.306+02:00i'll have to dig out about Halliwell's SPa...i'll have to dig out about Halliwell's SPace combat game as I didn't know about that...<br />For me from what's been relayed by the studio staffers and by what you can see from the models, the interesting point is that Space fleet was a sort of salvage of all sorts of concepts (Goodwin's sketches), models (from the previous ranges Citadel owned) and from background material they had prepared for the orginal "Battlefleet Gothic"<br />It sort of echoes the salvage attempt they did with Confrontation by using the Laserburn rules the very rules heavy version of Battlefleet probably comes from imitating Batteltech Aerotech.<br />We coudl also point out that sandbox games aimed at youg audience were not Kirby's doing in the first place (though he definitely turned that into the only form of marketing).Asslessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475252828835332056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-74986948796179648012015-05-19T14:24:39.976+02:002015-05-19T14:24:39.976+02:00I'm pretty sure Halliwells space combat game w...I'm pretty sure Halliwells space combat game would have been great if taken into production, but then I tend to like his game design. Space Fleet is at the real start of GW developing very simplistic rulesets (as you note, 8+) in comparison with the more traditional wargames, something like FASA Star Fleet Battles, which was hugely popular or Battletech: Aerotech (which wasn't) with its physics, gravity wells, damage locations and whatnot - great for simulating space combat, but a bit too maths and record keeping heavy for an 8 y.o. Similarly you can compare Adeptus Titanicus with Battletech - same basic customisable giant robot tabletop game concept but with considerably less crunch.<br /><br />Also... Rogue Trader was originally going to be <a href="http://www.solegends.com/citcat1983dragon/cit1983049-01.htm" rel="nofollow">spaceship combat rules by Rick Priestly</a>. No idea if he worked those up, or if they fed into whatever Hal was working on in the 90s, or the development of Battle Space Fleet Gothic....<br /><br />Certainly someone in the design studio liked the dice-drop mechanic enough to port it into 40k, but I don't know anyone who actually used it.Zhu Bajieehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13945636483237344750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-58858704314848847172015-05-19T09:51:06.921+02:002015-05-19T09:51:06.921+02:00Well those didn't cost me much so far as I'...Well those didn't cost me much so far as I've got some from back then, some others were given to me and the others were simply traded for other models. I'd really like to get my hadns on Tyrannid models but I nee dto reduce the amount of lead I have for the time being... You can also get some good proxies from EM4 (3 models on the bottom right of the last picture are from them).Asslessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475252828835332056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-74438069502240567492015-05-19T09:48:48.764+02:002015-05-19T09:48:48.764+02:00Dude, you make me realise I didn't even explai...Dude, you make me realise I didn't even explain about the dice... (just corrected that) they're indeed D18s so they can just give you a D9 roll as easily !<br />To be honest, the stuff translated by the french studio was actually not bad at all, some choices were made that could have been argued but it was always made by enthusiasts and with motives. It's a real shame nowadays they don't translate any unit name or model name, leaving those who don't speak english well enough with a mixture of english and french.<br />Translations of some 2000AD publications and some standards of the fantasy-sci-fi litterature (Tolkien, Moorcock, Asimov, King...) causes serious harm to the interest the french had in them (just my opinion).<br />Reading expressions like "to hit the road", "kick the bucket" or other slike that, translated literrally is a killer if you don't know the expression in english (and if you do know it you prefer to read it in english).<br />Anyway, all this to say that yes, we were quite lucky with the transaltion we got on that partcular point. ^^Asslessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475252828835332056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-38872074694675882362015-05-19T09:27:39.420+02:002015-05-19T09:27:39.420+02:00ohhh I am so full of envy right now, that's a ...ohhh I am so full of envy right now, that's a nice (and Expensive) collection of ships you have managed to aquire, I soi regret not getting that set back when I was younger, I went for Ultra Marines and Mighty Warriors instead, neither of which I still have :(Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16215536877653190810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2221418482531324115.post-37017340951553965882015-05-19T09:25:20.386+02:002015-05-19T09:25:20.386+02:00Bloody cat's!!!
I've got the same thing i...Bloody cat's!!!<br /><br />I've got the same thing in my Space Marine box lid too. Not the piss, the dice rolling grid :p<br /><br />What's special about the dice? Are they 18 sided? <br /><br />Just out of curiosity, how good/bad was the amount of English to French translated stuff from GW like? Did you miss out on much, if anything?<br /><br />cheers.Mr Papafakishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05449586265828153638noreply@blogger.com